Christine Chubbuck

Yup, showing the death hag holy grail doesn't make me want to watch him unless has more.

This makes my point for me. Which is: We don't know we HAVE been shown the holy grail.

I just received a follow-up message from Gordon and he has given me permission to reproduce it:

"Lin (the production manager , says copies were made, but there was noi second camera, every one of those copies, which he said were later destroyed did not show the angle that the fake one being circulated shows.."

That's 2 WXLT employees that have said it's fake. I think this is enough evidence for us to call this case closed to be honest.

Here's an example of an expert dismissing video evidence of a crime. History repeats itself... constantly.

In 2011, a video started circulating online. It showed a woman, dressed in blue, laying on a patch of grass in a wooded area. A man squats over her and unceremoniously slices her throat with a knife. The woman barely struggles–her legs kick a little and she feebly tries to put her arm on the man. When his job is done, the assailant, holding his knife, walks away from the woman, toward the cameraman. The victim, her neck and face covered in blood, is seen struggling behind him.

When this clip began to make the internet rounds, viewers quickly dismissed it as fake. A Russian news site even brought in an expert, retired police colonel Yevgeny Chernousov, who said that based on his 30 years of experience, he determined the video to be a dramatization. In a real throat-cutting situation, Chernousov said, there would be a fountain of blood gushing from the neck, which did not occur in the video, proving it to be fake. The video was assumed to have been produced to incite anti-Chechen hatred, which is already rampant in Russia. In the clip, the cameraman is heard speaking the Chechen language to the assailant, and the victim, with pale skin, appears to be of Slavic descent. The video, according to Chernousov, was “primitive and hastily made in a provocative way – to cause hatred of one nationality over another.”

But, according to a press release issued by Russia’s Investigative Committee in December, the video is real. What’s worse is that the woman seen in the video is not the only victim. According to the release, in July, 2011, 26-year-old Salavdi Adamov lured a 22-year-old woman into his car and brought her to a wooded area in the Kurchaloyevsky district of the Chechen republic, where he choked her, poured gasoline over her, and set her body on fire. Then, the release states, on August 8, Adamov picked up another young woman. After she got into his car, he forcibly stuffed her in the trunk. Then, he invited his friend, 22-year-old Beshto Abalaev, to go relax in nature on the outskirts of their village. Abalaev got into Adamov’s car, not knowing that there was a woman in the trunk. When they got to the wooded area, Adamov pulled the woman out of the trunk. She threatened to tell the police, so Adamov made the decision to kill her. According to the press release, he choked her until she lost consciousness, then slit her throat. Abalaev filmed the act with Adamov’s cell phone.

Adamov is charged with two counts of murder and abduction. Abalaev is charged with concealing a serious crime.

The difference here is that Gordon and Lin aren't basing their testimonies entirely on the video, they're basing it on their experiences. Gordon was there, he saw it happen. Lin viewed the tape. They were both intimately involved with the whole situation, so that whole thing about the Salavdi Adamov video is an unfair comparison to make. Of course they can't specify who made the fake video, who acted in it and whatnot, how would they be able to? What they HAVE done, however, is confirmed that it is NOT Christine Chubbuck.

Two cameras or not, Lin said that only one angle of the footage was recorded that day and it does not match the angle of the fake (and that makes sense, because according to the police report, the 2nd camera was framed up on guests waiting to be interviewed, not Christine). He also says that the recording was in colour. Even if we take into account Gordon's discrepancy between the police report and his memory of events, that does not discount Lin's testimony in terms of the angle of the shot (and that there was only one angle recorded) and the fact that it was in colour.

So, we have 2 WXLT employees (intimately involved) saying it's fake, versus a bunch of internet detectives (who were NOT intimately involved, nor involved WHATSOEVER) saying it's real. I know who I choose to believe.

Add to that the fact that NationSquid has used almost identical distortion effects on several of his other videos, and it's clear that this is fake.

People need to accept that this is fake. This whole situation is beginning to border on conspiracy theory territory. It seems like it doesn't make a difference how much proof of this being fake comes forward, there are just so many people who WANT this to be real that they're just blatantly ignoring the facts.

I've said it a hundred times and I'll say it a hundred more if I need to: it's fake. The longer NationSquid goes without owning up to it, after having been called out by not one but TWO ex-WXLT employees, the worse he looks. I hope for his sake he does the right thing soon, because as of now, he's garnering more and more condemnation every day that passes and that can't be good for him or his channel.

If anyone with enough time and money can just come forward and fake a video like this and then have masses of people parading it as fact with literally NO hard evidence, WHATSOEVER (and, in fact, hard evidence to the CONTRARY), then I think that sets a very worrying precedent for lost media, don't you?

I'm (still) not persuaded by this argument. But by all means, make it a hundred more times. That will probably do the trick.

I'm not going to base my opinion on the 40 year old memories of a couple of people. That's assuming they're being honest.

Since people who don't agree with you are apparently conspiracy theorists, maybe it's not rude of me to ask why you are so seemingly desperate to have everybody agree with you. What do you care what other people think?