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Post by cookie on Feb 13, 2017 5:25:01 GMT
Here are some screenshots worth inspecting closely, as well as some shots of Andrea Kirby and George Peter Ryan, for anyone who is interested. imgur.com/a/mtfwTHi, everyone. For any of you folks who are also on the FAD forums, I go by Upset over there also. This is great work, Cookie! Barring a truly extraordinary explanation to the contrary, I am now convinced this is the real deal. Comparison of your still frames with the "known" photo of the actual set sealed it for me. Simply too close, too many points you can look at and see the exact same thing; this is way beyond "attention to detail" in a recreation. You can see it particularly in the placement and shape of the NEWSWATCH letters, which are obviously "homemade." Look at the slight differences in the two Ws in the Chubbuck video, and then look at these letters in the other photo, and you will see they differ from each other in exactly the same way. So... unless this is a recreation that was shot using the original set, I'm convinced. Again: Great work! Hey, thanks upset! The lighting was also spot on, but I guess time will tell if it is indeed authentic. |
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Post by cookie on Feb 13, 2017 5:42:01 GMT
Here are some screenshots worth inspecting closely, as well as some shots of Andrea Kirby and George Peter Ryan, for anyone who is interested. imgur.com/a/mtfwTwow that detective work on the screenshots... seems spot on, never thought to go frame by frame since i thought it would be too blurry to see anything. however as for the face "contorting" if i were to guess it seems like a rush of blood coming from her nose. after reading Sally Quinns story, it does seem exactly as she described, the hair, the mouth.. doubt it was blood as I had guessed earlier as the dark spot on her face disappears in the next frame. wow... this has got to be real. well done. I think someone asking Sally Quinn if this is the video could prove enough to confirm or not whether this is the footage she remember seeing. Do you think it's possible a better quality version exists out there and this is just a low quality version that was somehow found? Cause if Sally saw her face contort I'd bet she saw a way better version. Sorry voidspy, seems I neglected your question. Do I think there is a better copy somewhere out there, yes. Sally would have seen this footage in much better quality, as it was shortly after the incident rather than 40 years later. I am sure it was originally filmed in colour. I mentioned in my earlier post that at some point I read a comment claiming that the video they viewed in the 90's was a video of the video, very poor quality. Perhaps that is the only version leaked, or maybe it is all a crock. |
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Post by cookie on Feb 13, 2017 5:53:36 GMT
Here are some screenshots worth inspecting closely, as well as some shots of Andrea Kirby and George Peter Ryan, for anyone who is interested. imgur.com/a/mtfwTI just want to add a point to consider here. The known picture of the desk with anchors (included in the link) could have in fact been used to create the video. The letter H, being covered by that logo, would have forced the editor to replace the H... which as we can see does look different. Of course that could simply be a result of the angle and deterioration, the camera lens, etc. Just thought I would mention the possibility, in spite of my leaning towards it being real footage. |
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Post by upset on Feb 13, 2017 5:54:37 GMT
Hi, everyone. For any of you folks who are also on the FAD forums, I go by Upset over there also. This is great work, Cookie! Barring a truly extraordinary explanation to the contrary, I am now convinced this is the real deal. Comparison of your still frames with the "known" photo of the actual set sealed it for me. Simply too close, too many points you can look at and see the exact same thing; this is way beyond "attention to detail" in a recreation. You can see it particularly in the placement and shape of the NEWSWATCH letters, which are obviously "homemade." Look at the slight differences in the two Ws in the Chubbuck video, and then look at these letters in the other photo, and you will see they differ from each other in exactly the same way. So... unless this is a recreation that was shot using the original set, I'm convinced. Again: Great work! Hey, thanks upset! The lighting was also spot on, but I guess time will tell if it is indeed authentic. Yes, I agree about the lighting too. At this point, if somebody wants to step forward and claim they faked it they will have to provide a pretty compelling explanation of how these details are so close. I suppose anything is possible. |
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Post by upset on Feb 13, 2017 6:14:20 GMT
Here are some screenshots worth inspecting closely, as well as some shots of Andrea Kirby and George Peter Ryan, for anyone who is interested. imgur.com/a/mtfwTI just want to add a point to consider here. The known picture of the desk with anchors (included in the link) could have in fact been used to create the video. The letter H, being covered by that logo, would have forced the editor to replace the H... which as we can see does look different. Of course that could simply be a result of the angle and deterioration, the camera lens, etc. Just thought I would mention the possibility, in spite of my leaning towards it being real footage. Now that you mention it, the H does seem a little problematic, although it could just be the curve of the desk. Although, again, if it's a fake I'm surprised the person doing the faking wouldn't have used what we CAN see of the letter behind the logo, and gone from there... |
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Post by cookie on Feb 13, 2017 7:53:05 GMT
I just want to add a point to consider here. The known picture of the desk with anchors (included in the link) could have in fact been used to create the video. The letter H, being covered by that logo, would have forced the editor to replace the H... which as we can see does look different. Of course that could simply be a result of the angle and deterioration, the camera lens, etc. Just thought I would mention the possibility, in spite of my leaning towards it being real footage. Now that you mention it, the H does seem a little problematic, although it could just be the curve of the desk. Although, again, if it's a fake I'm surprised the person doing the faking wouldn't have used what we CAN see of the letter behind the logo, and gone from there... Agreed! That is what I would have done. Duplicating that half and mirroring it would have made sense. Adjust the angle to look authentic. A shitty error to make, if this is a fake. Still, I think the video matches the feature article written about it so accurately it would be a silly error to make after getting so many of the details perfect. I really hope this is not some sham for subscribers. |
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Post by dycaite on Feb 13, 2017 13:17:18 GMT
It's fake.  |
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Post by cookie on Feb 13, 2017 15:00:49 GMT
It's fake. Good work! Now hopefully we are afforded an explanation from NS. |
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Post by voidspy on Feb 13, 2017 15:02:05 GMT
Despite what Gordon says, I still believe it's real.. is it not possible for them to try to cover for her families best wishes?
I don't know, maybe it is fake, but after seeing all the close-ups and how accurate everything is... I'm still convinced it isn't.
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Post by skepticall on Feb 13, 2017 22:09:02 GMT
I believe the video is a well executed fake. Possibly the one people have claimed to have seen on the as yet "lost" death compilation vhs.
The thing that stands out most in my opinion is the desk.There are items on the desktop in the crime scene photos that do not appear in the video. Compare the area to Christine's right , it appears that a angled item is on the desktop in the photo but not the video.
It may have been placed there later but this video seems off to me
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Post by voidspy on Feb 13, 2017 23:23:20 GMT
I believe the video is a well executed fake. Possibly the one people have claimed to have seen on the as yet "lost" death compilation vhs. The thing that stands out most in my opinion is the desk.There are items on the desktop in the crime scene photos that do not appear in the video. Compare the area to Christine's right , it appears that a angled item is on the desktop in the photo but not the video. It may have been placed there later but this video seems off to me those are reading stands, it's where you place your script/papers and read off of, whilst not having to bend your head over in an awkward position. but you're wrong, it is in the video, you only see it from the front so you cannot tell exactly what it is. unless you're talking about something else? pics/ circles would help out. |
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Post by cookie on Feb 14, 2017 0:09:33 GMT
Despite what Gordon says, I still believe it's real.. is it not possible for them to try to cover for her families best wishes? I don't know, maybe it is fake, but after seeing all the close-ups and how accurate everything is... I'm still convinced it isn't. possible. |
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Post by upset on Feb 14, 2017 21:20:31 GMT
I'm not taking the word of Gordon as gospel. People have faulty memories. Also, people lie.
Two specific points in response to his post:
1. Home VCRs certainly did exist in 1974, although they were both uncommon and expensive.
And much more importantly:
2. The Sally Quinn article on Chubbuck's suicide specifically mentions there were two camera people there that day. It even identifies them by name. Why would there be two camera operators for one camera? An "extra" in case the first one shot herself in the head? (Too soon?)
My policy is to always question authority, even if it's just the authority of somebody saying "trust me, I was there."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 14:08:32 GMT
I dunno. with all the audio things (gunshot and chair falling being way higher quality than the rest) and the H being the wrong size And the font size
and the N being in the sun I don't believe it. Also the point of origination being a top 5 channel is a quite bad sign.
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Post by voidspy on Feb 16, 2017 0:01:23 GMT
I dunno. with all the audio things (gunshot and chair falling being way higher quality than the rest) and the H being the wrong size And the font size and the N being in the sun I don't believe it. Also the point of origination being a top 5 channel is a quite bad sign. how is the gunshot and chair thumping high quality? loud =/= good quality. any shitty mic can pick up a loud bang and thump easily. and the H isn't the wrong size when compared with other pictures from a straight angle, if you think it's wrong because of the photo that's clearly taken from a vastly different angle then you're fooling yourself. and the N is supposed to be in the sun, look at the long picture post cookie posted.. nothing is off about anything, and I don't trust Gordon since like someone else said, there was reported to be 2 cameras in the studio... what kinda new station only has 1 camera? |
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